The "Bet" Line...

[Admin]

The layouts of the poker tables at CAZ are marked with a yellow line approximately 10-12 inches from the rail.
Many poker rooms use this line as a "bet" line where a bet doesn’t yet "count" until it is moved across that line.
At CAZ, that line is NOT used for the purpose of signifying a bet.

To Clarify:
Chips do NOT need to be pushed across the line to “count” as a bet, any forward motion with chips that causes action is considered binding.

[Aack Thbbbt]

Been seeing issues with this more often in the 5-150 games.  several times yesterday, but the "loudest" happened late last night.
Heads-up on the turn, player A bets $40 , player B picks up his whole stack (about 110) in one hand and moves it forward kind of slamming  it down on the table.  Just after the chips hit the table he says something, which because of the noise in the room is inaudible, he then cuts out the $40 and pulls the rest back.

Dealer asks to clarify what he said, and the guy cracks off something about, "I just said "I am just calling you", ok?"
Dealer states "thats fine", but warns the player B that forward motion with chips can obligate those chips if a live player calls him on it. 

Player B goes off..."What the %(&% are you talking about?  i can do anything i want with my chips, Ive been doing this all day, and no one is going to tell me otherwise. Are you telling me i cant move more chips than the bet forward?"

Dealer responds, "you can do whatever you want, just understand that if you do come forward with enough chips for a legal raise, and someone acts behind you, based on those chips you brought out, you will be obligated to leave those chips as a bet.
The reasoning behind this is prevent players from trying to extract information by appearing to make a raise they aren't actually going to make."

Player B ( who plays regularly on the weekends in this game) is furious, he cant believe what he is hearing, and says " Whatever, i will argue this all day long with a manager"
And here is the best part...he now tells the dealer..." i have the utmost respect for you as a dealer, you are probably the best in the house, but THIS is really BS."

A number of players at the table back the dealer up and player B settles down, i think he just over reacted to a perceived "correction" from the dealer, he was all in a little later and left.

[that_pope]

So did anything happen?  Or did the play stand as the player thought it would....sounds like there was no incident other than some words said...

[Aack Thbbbt]

By "did anything happen", do you mean was player B forced to raise?  No, as per the rule at CAZ, Player A didnt push the issue.  But it could have been different if player A had called B on it.

Though the dealer did initially react to the anger of player B he quickly recognized ( he stated several times " I don't want to argue with you about this")it was neither the time or place to continue trying to convince the player he was putting his chips at risk doing what he was doing.

  The dealer simply ended it by stating he would be more than happy to have a conversation about the rule off the table, Player B stated Ok, we can talk about it later and you can "set me straight" but for now i am going to keep doing what i am doing, and the conversation ended.  Not sure if they ever had any further conversation.

Player B actually won a couple of small pots after which he toked the dealer. In fact i believe B won the hand in which this took place and toked the dealer.
The dealer accepted each toke with a sincere thank you, neither said anything else regarding the issue.

It was weird actually.
 

[CAAZs #1 Card Slinger]

The "bet line" causes a great deal of confusion at CAZ.  Just remember that the line is ONLY there symbolically, and crossing this line with chips is NOT binding action.

[Aack Thbbbt]

The "bet line" causes a great deal of confusion at CAZ.  Just remember that the line is ONLY there symbolically, and crossing this line with chips is NOT binding action.

Though the line is irrelevant, there is a forward motion "rule" that CAN make it binding.

[CAAZs #1 Card Slinger]

Correct about forward motion CAN make it a bet.  Although at CAZ, the action (bet) is only binding if 2 players act behind you, although I have been in situations where it has been called action if only one person acts behind.  This is supposed to be used in extreme cases, where the action behind significantly changes the action.