I've been playing the 5/150 regularly the past few weeks and have found a lot of success doing so. I was hoping to get some continual discussion going on this game (solid players to look out for, specific hand dicussion, days/time when tables are most soft, etc.) Doesn't seem like many people participate in these forums so I'm trying to get something going. Any thoughts and ideas are welcomed!
I went and played for a bit last night. The game definately changes depending on the time and day. I think the toughest time to play is on weekday mornings when most normal people are working. A lot of regulars play in the game before the morning tournament and some of these are semi-pro or at the very least, people who for whatever reason don't work(retired, etc) and play a lot. Most of the players that play then play a fairly tight-agressive game both preflop and after; it is quite rare for a hand not to be raised preflop. I don't play very often on weeknight evenings but from the times I have, it seems that there will continue to be raises preflop, except a lot more people will call, resulting in a lot of huge pots. Late night is my favorite time to play, the players seem a lot more passive, especially preflop, during these stretches. It is possible to limp in with a lot of suited-connected, suited aces and small pairs which are great hands to see a flop with.
Friday and Saturday nights are definately the most profitable times to play. The majority will be casual players if not complete novices and a lot of people will drink at the table. The games seem to vary quite a bit, sometimes being somewhat standard and other times being insane. Regardless, the overall play is usually pretty poor on these nights and any solid, sober player should do alright. I usually see only 1-2 other players at my table who I recognize, compared with maybe 4-5 in the daytime or 2-3 in the evenings.
Quote from: SavantChild on October 29, 2007, 02:01:28 AM
I've been playing the 5/150 regularly the past few weeks and have found a lot of success doing so. I was hoping to get some continual discussion going on this game (solid players to look out for, specific hand dicussion, days/time when tables are most soft, etc.) Doesn't seem like many people participate in these forums so I'm trying to get something going. Any thoughts and ideas are welcomed!
I agree, and unless more people join the board, discussion between the few that do wont amount to a whole lot.
I am going to start mentioning this board around the poker room and see if i can get some new "faces" involved.
Id like to hear the perspective/insight of the floormen and dealers on some of these things involving the room as well.
Good topic for disscussion! I been wanting to move to 5-150 but not yet able to, I will as I can aford 3 buy ins
I don't know what age of people we are mainly dealing with here, but in regards to moving up...if you think you are ready to play a few sessions of 5/150 to see if you can hold your own, and $300 to $1000 isn't going to kill you when/if you lose that, then go for it. Taking shots when the money is something that can easily be replaced from an outside source (like a job) in a short period of time is the easiest. Jumping into a 50/100 NL game online when you have only 30k to your name and a 25k a year job is the direct opposite....
I can only get to the casino once every couple weeks but when I do go I play, it's 5-150...or omaha/stud depending on how bored I am with holdem.
Anyway, weekends are so ridiculously soft it's hard to comprehend. Almost every table will have about 2 maybe 3 good players but you can spot them within the first few hands. Then you have a few mediocre players that basically know what they're doing but are still very weak. Then you have at LEAST 1 or 2 "wtf did he just do" players. For instance, over the weekend I saw players at my table, on more than one occasion, call $100-$150 on the river (after some decent prior action) with TPBK on a board of say...K Q Q J 10...and they weren't trying to call someone's bluff, they honestly thought it might be good.
If I am calling someone's bluff, it's generally because I think my hand might be good. I think I know what you are saying, though, calling what they perceive as a value bet with a hand that could only beat a bluff.
I played last night, arriving at about 5pm. It was earlier than I usually show up on weekend nights and was well worth the trip. One guy sat down at the table in a suit and tie. Another guy says "You're dressed too nice for this table" (I guess some sort of humor, even though there was another guy at the table also wearing slacks, a nice shirt and tie.) The guy in the suit goes off..."Some of us actually work for a living. You've probably been playing golf all day" which started a brief argument. For some reason I found this hilarious and the hilarity continued with various characters in various states of drunkenness throughout the night. The hand of the night...few players limp, cutoff who just showed up raised to $25. Big Blind(madman in a suit whose play complimented his personality) called, couple limpers fold, another limper pushes all in for $50. Original raiser reraises another $150. Madman contemplates and calls. Flop comes 788. Madman checks, raiser bets $150. Madman calls. Turn comes 6. Madman bets to put raiser all-in for about another $100. River comes an Ace. Madman shows A9 for a pair of aces and the other two muck their hands. Madman defends his action "I thought I had a straight."
haha...that is funny.
Quote from: CrazyLond on November 03, 2007, 11:16:24 AM
If I am calling someone's bluff, it's generally because I think my hand might be good. I think I know what you are saying, though, calling what they perceive as a value bet with a hand that could only beat a bluff.
It was more like all the other possibilities that the board presented just didn't register in his mind..it was weird - "I've got top pair!!!" I saw what you're talking about quite a lot though.
Played for 9 hours today...A lot of poor players come and go. Anyways my ridiculous hand of the day...
I am in the sb with Ad8d there are a few limpers and I complete, bb checks...The flop comes 2d8c9d I check, checks around to the button who bets 10, I make it 40 folds to button who calls. The turn is 4s I check button checks, river 6d I bet 50 button calls yelling Ace High like he made the best call in history showing AsQc and I showed the nuts and he yelled damnit...To summarize I love this game and the many terrible players who play there...
I played for about 4 hours on Saturday night and ironically, after typing my previous response on this thread, there wasn't a single "bad" player at my table...they were all ok...but very tight. It was difficult to win any decent pots when most of my raises pre-flop would go uncontested.
Very often on Saturday night the "loose" players are jamming it up in the 10-150 games while the 5-150 games are more conservative.
The games do vary a lot from one night to the next or one table to another on those nights. That game I was in on Friday night was insane until the crazy dude in the suit left and then it settled down a bit.
The last few days have been hellish for me with these midterms I've had but I take my last one tomorrow and will hopefully be able to spend some more time playing cards. I may play the night tournament tomorrow if I get some stuff done in time. I'll also probably be there Wed, Thu and Fri for tournaments and either Fri or Sat night to play some 5/150.
Speaking of the Tuesday night tournament, I ended up at Hass's table last week with about 40 players left. He didn't look to be enjoying himself all that much. That guy next to him was pretty damn annoying though.
Tonight was a slow one for me. I have been playing pretty solid poker the last few weeks but some times there is nothing you can do. Two hands that I lost that stand out during my night went as follows:
Hand 1: I had beaten this guy in a few pots already for a few hundred and he was tilting towards me. I was utg with AdAh and raised to 20, there was one caller and he called out of the sb. The flop came Ac4c5s, the sb checked to me and I bet 40 into the 65 pot, the player in late position folded and the sb called. The turn was the 3d, sb checked to me, I thought about checking with any 2 making a straight and 67 as well but felt as if the sb could be on a club draw and didn't want him to draw for free. I decided to be 60 and was instantly check raised 150. I suppose this is where I should have gotten away from the hand but thought about how the player was tilting towards me and had prior check raised me with a draw. I called the 150 hoping to pair the board, the river was Jd he pushed his last 75 and I had to call, he had 22.
Hand 2: This hand was played solely because I had played with the player before and knew his raising range was extremely wide. Anyways I had AKdd utg and raised to 20, it folded around the the player who in late position raised to 80. I thought that with an utg raise then reraise I could get the player off most any hands (not KK AA and prob QQ pbv) I reraised his 80 with 150 on top (230 total) and that basically put him all in (had 30 more behind) he called and the board came completely missing my A and K and he flipped 77. Pretty terrible call imo but its calls like this that make a lot of us profit when we actually have larger overpairs.
That game can certainly include some pretty big swings. I've lost $1K there in a couple hours before but also won that amount in the same time. I played some $6/$12 yesterday and then the tournament where I made the final table. I'm leaving in a few minutes and will probably play some 5/150 before tonight's tournament. I hope your luck improves, Savant. If anyone else is there tonight and wants to say hi, I'm the big goofy guy wearing a brown "that's how I roll" tee-shirt.
Finally have time tonight to hit this up, after moving to Phoenix 3 weeks ago!
I hear that the friday night game is kind of soft? Will playing tight preflop and aggressive post-flop do the job?
Quote from: Xisiqomelir on November 16, 2007, 07:33:46 AM
Finally have time tonight to hit this up, after moving to Phoenix 3 weeks ago!
Will playing tight preflop and aggressive post-flop do the job?
Welcome to town, and enjoy our nice poker room, bigger than anything in Vegas. Only California, Foxwoods, and AC have bigger poker rooms that I can think of (don't count Caesars and their tourney room as poker tables).
Tight preflop and aggressive post flop is usually the key, but just adjust to what is going on. If 6 people are limping preflop, then you can obviously open your range. I don't play 5/150 much, 20/40 is my game, but just play whats comfortable to you, and get a feel for the table.
Good luck!
Lost my buyin sadly. Jammed TPTK against villain's OE straight on the turn, he caught it on the river.
I won $1,100.00 on Saturday Day/Night in the 5/150 game.
Nicely done, even if it only was a brag post!
That's about what I lost last time I played it, lol. I suck at poker
I've been playing the last 5 weeks now and am up nearly 8k...Brag post yes I know but I feel like my play is very systematic and anyone could win there if they understand the basics of the game. I'll discuss the biggest hands in which I have lost, the two pots total nearly 3k but could not have been avoided.
Hand #1
I am in late position w/ QQ and make a standard raise to 20. It folds around to the small blind who calls. The flop is AQ4 (suits do not matter)...SB checks, I bet 40, SB raises to 140, I raise to 290, he frustratingly goes into the tank and decides to call. The turn is a K and he immediately leads 150, at this point I put him on AK and raise 150, he goes all in for approximately 90. We flip our cards he has AK and I am a clear favorite only to dodge an A or K on the river...A on the river...clearly nothing to do with this one.
Hand #2
I am in middle position when a friend of mine (who is a solid player) raises to 20 utg...I think his utg raising range is solid so I decide to just call with 1010...The button then makes it 60...It folds around the me and I call with good implied odds to hit my set. The flop comes 2410 rainbow I check to the button raiser and he fires 150, I instantly make it 300 and he calls, at this point I think he has a big overpair. The turn is the 7 of clubs putting two clubs on the board and I fire 150, the button calls. The river is a blank smaller than a ten ensuring that I have the largest set but happens to be another club (completing a backdoor flush)...I did not think this was a problem however with him calling my 150 check raise on the flop...I bet 150 and am raised 150...I think flush at this point but there was 1600+ in there and I had to call...He had AK clubs.
Quote from: that_pope on November 19, 2007, 05:21:39 PM
Nicely done, even if it only was a brag post!
It was the first time I didn't lose playing 5-150, so I figured it was worth sharing.
Brag: Sat down with $300, cashed out with $895 2 hrs later
I played this almost exclusively for the last 2 years and won a lot of money doing so. I'll give a little bit of advice for those who don't play as much.
-This is not no limit. You cannot play this game as if it was a no limit game. Keep that in mind when playing drawing hands, protecting your hands against draws, and figuring out implied odds. This is especially important when trying to determine implied odds. Just because you have 500 infront of you and your opponent does aswell, doesn't mean you can figure in 500 dollars into your implied odds calculation. In a spread limit game, the odds of stacking someone are slim. While people will certainly dump money with TPTK and overpairs, the odds of getting somebody's entire stack in this game are much smaller than in a true no limit game.
-Play postflop. I can't stress this enough. Because of the 150 cap, if you build too big of a pot pre-flop, you can give correct odds for your opponents on later streets. If the pot gets over 300 pre-flop, the worst odds your opponent(s) will be getting for the rest of the hand is 3-1. This makes it mathematically correct to draw to many hands.
-Give your opponents incorrect odds to call. This goes hand in hand with the above. As a rule of thumb, betting 2/3rds pot will generally give your opponent the wrong odds but will be enticing enough for them to call. For example, if the pot is 150 on the turn, and you have your opponent on a flush draw, if you bet 100, your opponent is getting 2.5-1, clearly poor pot odds, but will get called a lot of the time. The key is finding the magic number that they will call, but is still mathematically incorrect. If your opponent will call 50 or 100 in the above example as you've seen from previous hands they've played, bet 100. If you think they'll only call 75, giving 3-1, then bet that. However, getting the most $$ while giving incorrect odds is the single biggest key to long term success in this game.
-Try to have 300+ on the table at all times. 300 is only 60 BB's and is very shallow for a cash game. You need to be able to protect your hands, and have implied equity in hands like suited connectors and small-mid pairs. If you only have 200 infront of you, it makes it almost impossible to play other than top 15 hands profitably. The more money you have infront of you, the more hands you can play profitably. Simple as that.
-Allow opponents to overplay their hands. Not really sure how to summarize this, but anybody who has played this game a few times, will have seen several players raise with average hands such as A10 and KJ and then go crazy if they flop top pair. There are still a ton of players that think any 20/21 (think blackjack) is a good hand. For this reason, flat calling raises with hands like AK/AQ/JJ-99 can be more profitable than re-raising. In general, players in this game are good enough to fold KQ to a re-raise pre, but once they flop TPGK on a safe board, they're ready to committ chips to the pot, especially when they haven't been re-raised before the flop. I've found in this game because of the 150 cap, that flatting with certains hands that you might re-raise with in a NL game, is much more profitable.
Starting to get long, so I'll stop for now. If anybody has any questions, I have a lot of experience in this game, even though I'm not playing a lot at the moment.
Good luck at the tables.
AllYourChips: Excellent post. Thank you!
I kinda hope this board doesn't get an influx of people who read that post!!
Very well written "AllYourChips".
Quote from: DGK1186 on December 21, 2007, 10:54:17 AM
I kinda hope this board doesn't get an influx of people who read that post!!
Very well written "AllYourChips".
Meh...Pope said the same thing but I figure that maybe 1% of all players who play 5/150 will ever read that post so not a big deal. It's also very general information and doesn't give away specifics about my game.
Maybe one more thing I'll add before I quit, is to pay attention when new players come to the table, specifically, when they buy in. If a young college looking players sits down and is rumaging through his wallet and scraping out $200, he's probably gonna play tighter and be more bluffable. If a guy in a suit sits down, pulls 300 out from his wad, odds are he's gonna play a little looser and be willing to gamble because he can re-buy. There are a wide variety of players who play this game - getting a little bit of a read on them before they are dealt their cards is definetely an advantage.
Also keep in mind who you think is ahead/stuck. I will almost never bluff a player whom I know is stuck because they are generally looking for ways to get un-stuck. This entails making a lot of desperate/bad calls. I ran a great 3 part bluff tonight against a player who was in for 3 buy-ins and he makes a hero call on the river. I said, "wow, no respect" to him and he replied "just trying to get even." Conversely, if you notice a player who is up, but is making comments about going home soon or not wanting to play anymore, they are going to be very unlikely to get involved in a big pot without a hand. A lot of times it will be very easy to spot a player sitting on his stack, when you do, it is generally very easy to take small pots away from him.
Oh also, please call when I have the nuts and fold when I'm bluffing. Much appreciated. Okay, I'll shut up now.
GL at the tables.
is $350.00 the max buy-in for all the casinos that spread 5-150?
Quote from: gregski on March 12, 2008, 05:29:15 PM
is $350.00 the max buy-in for all the casinos that spread 5-150?
No, each room can decide how to limit (or not) the buy-in amount.
woo i played last week and got my ass handed to me. lost $600 in about 6 hours, most of it with my QQ versus 2 4 diamonds that flopped open ended str8 draw... I usually am up a good bit, at least for a while. I have issues with leaving at the right time! :P
Quote from: Aack Thbbbt on March 13, 2008, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: gregski on March 12, 2008, 05:29:15 PM
is $350.00 the max buy-in for all the casinos that spread 5-150?
No, each room can decide how to limit (or not) the buy-in amount.
Does anyone know what the other limits are?
Welcome to the board clarkstar and good luck at the tables!
Quote from: clarkstar on March 14, 2008, 08:54:12 AMI usually am up a good bit, at least for a while. I have issues with leaving at the right time! :P
I was doing this a lot too, and the pattern was always the same, go up X amount then:
1) Hit my old stop-win (+2X)
2) Busto
I changed my stop-win to just X, and now I'm cashing up every session.
Quote from: that_pope on March 14, 2008, 09:54:52 AM
Welcome to the board clarkstar and good luck at the tables!
thanks pope! what advice do you have for low bankroll. I do not like playing the lower limit tables since they are donk fests but the 5-150 table can eat up my bankroll (which varies from 300- 600) in a matter of 2 hands. I bought in for $240 Friday, ran it up to about $380, and lost it in one hand when my QQ got cracked by 10 10 who spiked a 10 on the turn. I had limped from middle position wary of the UTG limper. folded to SB who bumped it to $40, UTG called, I raised to $140, SB called, rainbow 2,4,7 flop, bet $150, villian called, all in for remainder on turn.
3rd time I got felted with QQ in the last 3 times I played, I'm hating QQ now! >:(
I have thought about playing some 3-6 or something but theres no way to protect premium hands so J 2 beats AA... :P
If you are wanting to stay away from 3/6 and 4/8 limit, and do want to focus on 5/150 while on a short bankroll, you might want to try some shortstacking techniques. Play tight, get your money in with a big edge preflop or on the flop, and let your opponents take the worst of it. That way, if they have the TT vs your QQ, you can't give them any additional money when they get lucky...
I hate shortstackers because they take a lot of the edge away, but there are also a few more things you can do. Buy-in for $200 and when you get up to $400, cash out, take an hour break (this is required) and then sit down with $200 again. This will limit your loss to $200 for the night and will reduce a lot of variance. However, it is worth noting, that once your comfortable with it and have a bigger bankroll, having as many chips on the table as possible is a huge advantage.
When Pope said shortstacking techniques, he didn't get into specifics, but here is one that is generally effective. If you're playing at a loose table, look to limp re-raise all-in from early to mid position. If you can create some dead in money in the pots you're all in against, it will have a great effect on your results because you'll put yourself in a position to more than double up, but usually only have to beat one player. Limp/calling in this game with a short stack <200 is simply bleeding and will not fare well for you. Another technique would be to utilize the squeeze, again to create dead money in the pot when you're all in. If there is an aggressive player who has been raising a lot, and does so with some calls in front of you, moving it in with any hand that beats his range will yield a profit, as you'll usually only get called by the orig raiser (the gap concept) and many times will take down the pot without a flop. Of course make sure you have enough money to have some fold equity or you'll start a giant telethon where everyone calls.
Again, I don't think this is the best way to play the game, but there are definetely some ways to utilize your short stack and create a profit.
Clarkstar,
There's a great book named "Small Stakes Hold 'em" by Sklansky and crew which has some great advice about playing 3/6 and the like. I was certainly humbled reading it because I realized I was making some major errors while playing. I previously was playing a simple tight-agressive game and coming out about even in the long run. By focusing more on the topics he discusses such as pot control, I became a steady winner at 3/6. If only he wrote a similar one for low limit stud (I don't think he has) since those old guys still take my money when I sit at the stud table.
$300-$600 is no kind of bankroll for live poker at any stakes if you're a serious player. Another thing that has helped my game is separating my poker money from my regular accounts. I have found that when I do this, I think less about the money in play and focus more on making good decisions.
Thanks for the tips guys. I will check out the small stakes book and probably focus on that until I build a sufficient bankroll so variance does not break me.
I think that's a good plan. The first 2 years I played it was mostly just 3/6 or 4/8 at various small cardrooms in Washington state with an occasional $25 or $50 tournament mixed in. I certainly learned a lot from playing there and it helps getting used to things like bad beats because at higher limits, they are just that much worse. Having said that, if you do want to mix it up in some non-limit games, I would recommend taking a trip to Vegas and playing some of the $1-$2 NL games there. The players are terrible and it's a good experience getting used to playing NL.
Just had my personal best pot ever!
Hand was pretty standard, so no fireworks there (sorry!)
Casino Arizona $5-150 Spread-Limit Hold'em, $5 BB (9 handed)
Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($113.00)
UTG+1 ($95.00)
Hero ($697.00)
Villain ($1052.00)
MP3 ($385.00)
CO ($410.00)
Button ($225.00)
SB ($635.00)
BB ($472.00)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif), 6(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif).
UTG: Calls
UTG+1: Raises to $25
Hero: Calls
Villain: Calls
MP3: Folds
CO: Folds
Button: Folds
SB: Folds
BB: Folds
UTG: Folds
Flop: (3 players) 10 (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif) 2 (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif) 6 (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif)
UTG: Bets $70 and is all-in
Hero: Calls
Villain: Raises to $150
Hero: Raises to $300
Villain: Calls
Turn: (3 players, 1 all-in): J (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif)
Hero: Bets $150
Villain: Calls $150
River: (3 players, 1 all-in) 4 (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif)
Hero: Bets $150
Villain: Calls $150
Final Pot: $1353
Hero has 6(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif), 6(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif), Three of a Kind, Sixes.
Villain has 10 (http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif), 6(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif), Two Pair, Tens and Sixes.
UTG+1 has A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif), A(http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif), A Pair of Aces.
Hero wins $1353 ($728 profit)
Very nice hand. I love playing small pairs and suited aces in multi-way pots in that game.
Hate to add criticism, but unless the game was one in which calling would entice a few other callers behind you, calling a $25 preflop raise with a PP when your opponent only has $70 left isn't the best proposition. But nice pot!
No, that's pretty valid. Normally I wouldn't have made the call, but villain to my left had just made 5 ridiculous plays in a row. I was positive he'd come in for 25, and I thought I'd have good odds for breaking him big if I hit.
so i think I might go play tonite. played last night and finished up for a change...
3 profitable trips in a week. :afro:
saturday night was crazy. typical hand, I raise UTG with AA to $50, get 5 callers. bet $150 on flop, get one caller to river and my AA holds up. good times. :grin:
argh variance strikes me down. lost 2 buy ins last night. JJ vs QQ and 10 10 vs AK :tongue:
I played a bit this morning and it was pretty wild. For some reason I ended up in a ton of huge pots. I ended up going down about $500 and then coming back to end the session down just $90.
i think i'm gonna stick to playing friday and/or saturday. seems to be more profitable than against the regulars
Encountered some wild hostility last night for like the first time ever. Anyone see this new kid? He's kind of a fatty, says he comes from Chicago, and WILL NOT shut his mouth. I talked back at him obv, which he hated so much haha, and he went into crazy spew mode and called me a f*g every second hand till he busted.
Quote from: Xisiqomelir on May 09, 2008, 09:43:56 AM
Encountered some wild hostility last night for like the first time ever. Anyone see this new kid? He's kind of a fatty, says he comes from Chicago, and WILL NOT shut his mouth. I talked back at him obv, which he hated so much haha, and he went into crazy spew mode and called me a f*g every second hand till he busted.
i was up there for a few hours last night and did not see it so i don't know who youre talking about. that kind of behavior should have got him kicked out!
on a side note, what did you use to create that Hand history from your earlier post?
Quote from: clarkstar on May 09, 2008, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: Xisiqomelir on May 09, 2008, 09:43:56 AM
Encountered some wild hostility last night for like the first time ever. Anyone see this new kid? He's kind of a fatty, says he comes from Chicago, and WILL NOT shut his mouth. I talked back at him obv, which he hated so much haha, and he went into crazy spew mode and called me a f*g every second hand till he busted.
i was up there for a few hours last night and did not see it so i don't know who youre talking about. that kind of behavior should have got him kicked out!
Sticks and stones hehe. People can say whatever they want while donating. I should maybe write up the whole thing, because it's a pretty funny story.
Quoteon a side note, what did you use to create that Hand history from your earlier post?
Flopturnriver.com has an online hand history converter, so I just used one of my online HHs and edited the stacks and hands. CAZpoker admin has added the pip smilies now though, so that would probably be easier.
man some drunk guy got furious with me last night when i sucked out a boat on his straight. he left for a while and came back and was up when i left so he was happy again...
happy to report another + session! although the margins the last 2 nights have been slim, and heavily contested... :tongue:
yow i'm on a rollercoaster. down $1100 Thursday up $800 saturday. i'm still up a couple grand overall since april.
Quote from: clarkstar on May 08, 2008, 08:55:41 AM
i think i'm gonna stick to playing friday and/or saturday. seems to be more profitable than against the regulars
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yow i'm on a rollercoaster. down $1100 Thursday up $800 saturday
You should have sticked to the plan!
Quote from: CrazyLond on May 19, 2008, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: clarkstar on May 08, 2008, 08:55:41 AM
i think i'm gonna stick to playing friday and/or saturday. seems to be more profitable than against the regulars
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yow i'm on a rollercoaster. down $1100 Thursday up $800 saturday
You should have sticked to the plan!
you are correct sir! :tongue:
I did a 7 hour session last night to avoid studying for a test I've got tomorrow. It was the best 5/150 session I've had in quite some time, ending up about $600. I never had AA, KK, TT, 99 or 88. I had QQ once (the first hand of the night.) An unknown player raised to 25, I reraised to 60 and he came over the top another $100. I laid down the QQ and he said he had KK. I had JJ one time and raised pre, got a few callers and took it down on K-rag-rag flop. Most of my wins came from hitting flushes. I made a couple bad calls on the river which is something I know I do too much and am working on. However, I was pleased overall with my play especially since I'd been playing for many hours previously online.
At one of the tables I was at (got moved a few times due to consolidating tables) there was one guy who was heckling a lot of the other players and then when we got down to 4 he turned his attention to me. He was actually one of the more obnoxious players I've seen at a table which is saying quite a lot. I don't personally get very affronted by another player talking trash since more often than not, it's a sign he's steaming. However, I do think some people should be more careful...casinos are not exactly filled with the upper-crust of society. They just apprehended a guy at the Commerce who was wanted for a triple-murder back in New York. I think that since televised poker has become popular, people have taken to acting like some of the fools they see on TV. I always try not to take out my frustrations on someone else because you never know who you're going to [censored] off.
Quote from: CrazyLond on May 22, 2008, 06:00:10 PM
I did a 7 hour session last night to avoid studying for a test I've got tomorrow. It was the best 5/150 session I've had in quite some time, ending up about $600. I never had AA, KK, TT, 99 or 88. I had QQ once (the first hand of the night.) An unknown player raised to 25, I reraised to 60 and he came over the top another $100. I laid down the QQ and he said he had KK. I had JJ one time and raised pre, got a few callers and took it down on K-rag-rag flop. Most of my wins came from hitting flushes. I made a couple bad calls on the river which is something I know I do too much and am working on. However, I was pleased overall with my play especially since I'd been playing for many hours previously online.
At one of the tables I was at (got moved a few times due to consolidating tables) there was one guy who was heckling a lot of the other players and then when we got down to 4 he turned his attention to me. He was actually one of the more obnoxious players I've seen at a table which is saying quite a lot. I don't personally get very affronted by another player talking trash since more often than not, it's a sign he's steaming. However, I do think some people should be more careful...casinos are not exactly filled with the upper-crust of society. They just apprehended a guy at the Commerce who was wanted for a triple-murder back in New York. I think that since televised poker has become popular, people have taken to acting like some of the fools they see on TV. I always try not to take out my frustrations on someone else because you never know who you're going to [censored] off.
nice job. i went monday again and pissed away my weekend winnings. no more weekday trips for me.
re the heckler sometimes headphones really come in handy...
My darn wireless network seems to be down and right now I'm stealing off some weak local signal. Maybe it's a sign I should be playing cards instead of trying to get this stupid thing working. I have historically had more success on Saturday night than Friday night but I think it's just variance because the games seem similar.
Quote from: CrazyLond on May 23, 2008, 08:46:43 PM
My darn wireless network seems to be down and right now I'm stealing off some weak local signal. Maybe it's a sign I should be playing cards instead of trying to get this stupid thing working. I have historically had more success on Saturday night than Friday night but I think it's just variance because the games seem similar.
Not necessarily. If you have a day job or go to school, and then go to the casino Friday night, and the game is exactly the same on Saturday, but you are more rested, you may perform better even though the game doesnt look any different.
That's a good point. It's amazing how many little things can change a profitable situation into a less profitable or losing one.
I have probably been fighting that battle myself. Now that I work a 40 hour a week job and have a live-in fiance, I can make it to the casino once during the week (right after my job) and once on the weekend. It has hurt my profitability and the hours I can put in, so I am trying to put in more 1 hour sessions 3 tabling online to make up for it.
Just got back. I think by the time I showed up I was already on tilt from my internet problems and knowing I failed the midterm I took this morning. This was further aggravated by having to park in the dirt for the first time ever at CAZ. Anyway, I figured I'd take a crack at the 6/12 stud game and that was a disaster. I managed to escape down just a little over a rack and went to 5/150. I got put at table 46 which, incidently, I have not had a winning session at yet. It seemed destined that I was going to spew and indeed, I probably played the worst I have ever played at that game. I made some horrendous moves and lost about a rack. I took my last $120 out of play and tried playing some blackjack...figured I'd be giving up less of an edge than in the 5/150. Anyway, I lost that in about 5 minutes at $15/hand.
There's something about table 46 that puts me on major tilt. I'm not playing there anymore if I can avoid it.
Was it 6/12 stud, or stud hi/lo....I don't think I've ever seen a 6/12 stud hi game going in the 1000+ hours I have played there.
it was Hi/Lo
What's up with the dealers calling the floor for time at 1 minute and 45 seconds?
The dealer said they are instructed to do so.
Just pulled my first all-nighter. Went straight after work yesterday, and left this morning at 8:40 for a 14 1/2 hr session. 1021 profit instead of 1521 because I am an idiot and can't read people hehe.
Quote from: trussdude on May 24, 2008, 11:51:43 AM
What's up with the dealers calling the floor for time at 1 minute and 45 seconds?
The dealer said they are instructed to do so.
wat?
There is no predetermined length of time at which the dealers are required to call a floor if a player is stalling.
If a player requests that a clock to be placed on a player, a floor is called. Generally the floor will give the players 30 seconds to act (with a warning at 10 seconds) then kills the hand.
If the dealer is having a difficult time getting a player to act within a reasonable amount of time then they can call the floor.
If anyone was there today, I was the guy with the goofy chiptower on 25
On Friday night, after a minute and a half the dealer called the floor to call time on a player. I was livid as I wanted the guy to call my +$150 raise. The floor came over and told him he had 10 seconds!
Nobody at the table at any objection to the guy taking a few minutes to contemplate a call in a $600+ pot.
The dealer said she was instructed to call the floor at one minute and 45 seconds.
Quote from: trussdude on May 26, 2008, 12:14:34 AM
On Friday night, after a minute and a half the dealer called the floor to call time on a player. I was livid as I wanted the guy to call my +$150 raise. The floor came over and told him he had 10 seconds!
Nobody at the table at any objection to the guy taking a few minutes to contemplate a call in a $600+ pot.
The dealer said she was instructed to call the floor at one minute and 45 seconds.
Did she ever ask the player to act?
"sir, i need you to make a decision"
Regardless, if the player was obviously vacillating on making the call, the dealer should almost never call the floor unless prompted by a live player.
There
are exceptions, i saw one guy turn around and start to eat when facing a big raise and would not acknowledge it was his turn.
Check with a floor person yourself and see what they tell you.
Here we go again. I'll get there at probably 7:30-8:00 tonight. Saturday's my best day historically but I've been running like a guy missing a leg the last few weeks.
im taking a break after 2 horrendous outings. down 1900... :angry:
I played all night last night. I ended up getting stuck about $650, then coming back and ending the session up about $200. Then I went and lost some at 3/6 stud and the morning tournament so I'm about even for the day. 12-hour sessions are tough but maybe will build my endurance in case I go deep at the wsop tourney I'm entering.
I run good. Last night I sucked out 3 times on the river, good times!
Quote from: CrazyLond on June 07, 2008, 04:33:36 PM
I run good. Last night I sucked out 3 times on the river, good times!
That isn't normally a good sign for your game I would think. It is one thing in limit to suck out on the river where you are usually getting the right price...in pseudo NL, you should be getting your money in as the favorite more times than not...but I guess its working for you!
Two of them were flush draws where I was getting the right implied odds vs the players I was against. The other was a pure suckout where I made 2 pair on the river with AK after my opponent flopped 2 pair with A7 in a heads up pot. That one, I should have played differently although it was a very tricky hand the way it played out. Overall, I was actually pretty happy with the way I played that night. I only lost once on the river when I'd been ahead and seemed to have my head in the right place. Decent play+good cards=good night for me. The next night wasn't quite so hot as I ran KK into AA preflop in the first hour and went broke. That one, I probably should have gone with my gut and folded. I've only laid down KK preflop twice before in that game but I was right both times. This time, for whatever reason, I couldn't get off it.
I played this game a bit this morning. I had one tough hand where I really am not sure if I made the right decision. There were 2 big blinds and a SB on the button. I was the first BB. A couple players limp, I check my option with 66 and the other BB also checks. Flop comes 865 with 2 hearts. I bet out $30 into a $20 pot and find one caller, a player I do not know but who seems fairly solid, only showing down reasonable hands thusfar. Turn comes an offsuit 9. I checked, he bet $30 and I called. A blank came on the river, I checked and he bet out $90. I decided to fold.
I think I should have led out the turn to find out where I was at. I think if I got raised big I could fold the turn and if small, could draw to a full house. I think it's unlikely a 7 would slowplay the turn if I had led out considering the hearts and other straight possibilities that could come on the river. This way, I think I would have had a better idea of where I stood in the hand.
As played, I decided to fold partially because I seem to have been making too many loose calls on the river over the past few months. However, looking back on it, I am not sure. $90 seems like a large bet for someone hoping to get paid off with a 7. Still, large bets generally mean large hands. He didn't show so I'll have to die not knowing.
Overall, it was a good session; I doubled my buy-in.
Hey guys I just found this board and thought I would stop by and say hello. I play up at CAZ every once in a while and in the next couple months I plan on playing quite regularly.
Anyways I have a question about being bankrolled to play 5-150. Namely how much cushion should I allow myself for this game with the variance.
I am a pretty solid player last sat I played for about 7 hours and walked away 1400 up for the day and lost 500 on sunday. All in all not a bad weekend. I was thinking 5-6k would be a good starting roll to play this on a regular basis. Thoughts?
From what I am reading you guys say Fri and Sat nights are the softest nights to play.
I want to see if I have what it takes to play this game professionally before I up and quit my job. I plan on trying to play 3-4 days a week on my days off and after work for a few hours to see if i can work up to around 30k.
Looks like you have some great people at this site so I would love some input.
Quote from: Cake on September 11, 2008, 04:10:57 PM
Hey guys I just found this board and thought I would stop by and say hello. I play up at CAZ every once in a while and in the next couple months I plan on playing quite regularly.
Anyways I have a question about being bankrolled to play 5-150. Namely how much cushion should I allow myself for this game with the variance.
I am a pretty solid player last sat I played for about 7 hours and walked away 1400 up for the day and lost 500 on sunday. All in all not a bad weekend. I was thinking 5-6k would be a good starting roll to play this on a regular basis. Thoughts?
From what I am reading you guys say Fri and Sat nights are the softest nights to play.
I want to see if I have what it takes to play this game professionally before I up and quit my job. I plan on trying to play 3-4 days a week on my days off and after work for a few hours to see if i can work up to around 30k.
Looks like you have some great people at this site so I would love some input.
Well, I am not going to comment on the bankroll issue, since I am a limit player and have no bankroll advice for a quasi-NL game.
But I can talk about trying to play professionally. Yes you might be a solid winning player for the 10-20 hours you put in a week, when you want to play, and are looking forward to it, and are 100% focused, and if a majority of this time comes on the weekend when you have a job.
But now you try to do it full time and maybe put in 40 hours a week. All of a sudden you are playing at offpeak hours, playing when you aren't at your best so you can put in the hours you need to, and forcing yourself to go even though you aren't completely focused.
So naturally your winrate drops. Lets say you were making $X in 10 hours a week over a 20 week sample. You naturally assume that in 40 hours a week you will make $4X, but instead, because of playing not at your best, and against worse lineups some of the time, you only make $2.2X. These are things you will experience playing full time.
I just think it is best to play semi-professionally, like I do, on the side. But good luck either way.
Ok, then let me ask you this. What limit game do you consider to be the most profitable at CAZ?
How do you determine when you should leave and call it a day? Are there specific dollar amounts you try to hit for the day and then bail? Do you just play by feel each time you are there? How long do you sit at a losing session before you roll up and call it a day? Do you do multiple rebuys in a single day?
Being that I feel comfortable playing poker I know that there are variances to the game and I realy want to learn how to properly manage my bankroll.
Any information you feel like sharing would be a huge help.
I think the most profitable game depends solely own your own skill in the game, psychology and bankroll. I'm sure the best players at 60/120 are probably the biggest winners in the house but another player might lose at that game while making a steady profit playing 20/40. I am purely a recreational player so I can't give a lot of advice about playing professionally from personal experience. Having said that, I've read countless articles, books, blogs and other media about it.
I think most pros would recommend you play as long as the game is profitable for you based on the other players, your own mindset at the time any any other relevant factors. You should leave whenever it is not or when there is a better opportunity available. Of course, this is always a subjective judgment but it's important to try and make an honest assessment. Being multiple buyins deep shouldn't be a reason to leave unless you judge that has generated enough negative emotion that you can no longer play profitably...likewise, you shouldn't quit after being up $X because that is your goal for the day or because you are altering your game not to lose back what you won. Having a goal like that is always a bad idea because then if you start losing you might end up playing recklessly to get even or reach that goal. Even as a recreational player, I can recognize times I was not playing well and should have left along with other times I left while I clearly had an edge in the game and should not have.
Making a living at 5/150 doesn't seem likely to me. There may be a few people who claim they do but most have either some sort of passive income or help from someone else to be able to do only that. The dynamic of the game changes substantially at different times and days. If all games were similar to the Fri/Sat night games, it would be more possible but you would probably want at least 30 full buy-ins for your bankroll along with 6+ months of liquid living expenses before you gave it a shot.
If you do, be sure to let us know how it goes. Good luck.
Well I played both nights after work (Fri and Sat) this week and did pretty good. Fri was a dry card night and managed to only go -$25 for the night while sat was much better with +$500.
Gonna give it a go for the day shift on Sun and let you know how it goes.
Anyone who can soundly beat the 5-150 and wanted to play live as their sole source of income would do better off moving a little North and playing 10/20 at the Bell or Venetian, imo.
5-150 is easy. I had a guy show me his hand (QQ) on the turn and then call my $150.00 bet on the river on a 444JK Board. I had 45o for the win. I also cracked his AA with 37o. It was a good night.
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Quote from: Xisiqomelir on September 16, 2008, 10:23:46 AM
Anyone who can soundly beat the 5-150 and wanted to play live as their sole source of income would do better off moving a little North and playing 10/20 at the Bell or Venetian, imo.
I am nowhere near ready to play poker as my sole source of income as of yet. I am seriously looking into playing semi-pro untill I can build up my bankroll sufficiently to possibly go full time. I am intersted in playing games that will build my bankroll the fastest.
So far I had a good week playing 5-150.
I noticed some holes in my game. I have been talking to some regulars to pick thier brains on ideas on how to stay focused at the table while keeping a relaxed atmosphere.
I can get loose after a euphoric rush of some big hands that can cause me to loosen my game up more then I should, in effect causing me to bleed chips back that I should not be donating.
I guess most of what I have to learn needs to just come from expierience and self critique. I am always open for critique of my game play if you ever play against me. I would love some feedback both positive or neg.
See you guys on Fri.
Quote from: Cake on September 17, 2008, 06:32:45 PM
I noticed some holes in my game. I have been talking to some regulars to pick thier brains on ideas on how to stay focused at the table while keeping a relaxed atmosphere.
I can get loose after a euphoric rush of some big hands that can cause me to loosen my game up more then I should, in effect causing me to bleed chips back that I should not be donating.
I guess most of what I have to learn needs to just come from expierience and self critique. I am always open for critique of my game play if you ever play against me. I would love some feedback both positive or neg.
See you guys on Fri.
I'm the unshaved degen in the world's ugliest hoody! I think I'm going to play 3-9 Fri/Sat this weekend unless my friend calls me.
Does anyone else think these games are getting nittier? Maybe it was just my tables but the last 2 weekends players have been so tight/passive!
I had a horrible weekend due to my own faults. Friday I had a Royal Flush shoved up my ass, though I got away cheap as I only had Broadway. I played well up till the very end when I tried to chase a flush draw down to 5Th street causing me to lose $300. Nobody to blame but me on that stupidity. Tried to justify it to my self by thinking I should end the night with a big positive and I was pure ego that bit me in the ass when I damn well knew better then to go chasing it.
Sun was good as I made ~800 on Sunday. Then Monday I lost my mind trying to stay to long and proceded to lose 1100 throwing good money after bad trying to get back to even before I left....
I was sick the next day, as I knew I had now screwed myself out of playing for the next 6 weeks. I guess its a less I wont soon forget.
Why for 6 weeks? Looks like you only lost $600 for the weekend which is less than 2 buy-ins. I can see why the $1100 loss would slow you down a bit but you had a good day on Sunday! Don't get too down on yourself, everyone has made mistakes like that!
Mostly its 6 weeks due to having other crap to do in the mean time. I am still fairly new to trying to play regularly. I have some money coming in a few months that will be my bank roll. In the mean time I Dont have much in the way of disposable income. I was down 600 for the weekend which was most of my remaining bank roll (again just getting started and trying to establish a realistic bankroll.)
I have a little bit I might be able to play a buy in here and there but for the most part it will be a one buy-in touch and go for a bit. Just frustrating as I was stupid and gave away what little buffer I had built up over the last few weeks.