scam???

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I do not know if I am on the right forum or not but I have to ask.  Am I just having bad luck or is the electronic roulette wheel rigged??  First I have never won anything in Arizona casinos (lost about $300), which I hardly ever do.  I usually at least break even esp. if I go 4-5 days in a row.  Any how here is my story.

I got to thinking that the electronic wheel determines everyone's bets at the table and then chooses a number where the casino wins the most.  My theory was to try and place my bet at the very end in hopes that the computer does not have time to think (I am sure that does not matter though).  During that time I would watch what everyone else is betting on the screen and put a small bet where nobody else was betting to hopefully win.  I only did this a few times (won a few and lost a few- but was not playing wisely at the time).  I swear it was not long before everyone's bet stopped showing on the display.  The guy next to me was making tons of bets and none showed on the screen.  However, when I made my bets, they were all on the screen.  I checked to see if there was an option to make your bets private and there was not.  My guess is I was being watched and I can not figure out why bc I was not even winning.  Any thoughts please??

Another time, I was playing video poker.  I only had $3 and managed to have a good streak - made it to $25 before I left that machine and of course lost all of it in another machine.  When I got up I saw 2 workers standing off to the side writing stuff down in a notepad.  Am I just paranoid??? I am a newbie and don't know what I am doing so I can not imagine why anyone would want to watch me other than I look too young for my age.

ANyhow, I got fed up and left and will never go back.  If you want to make money you at least have to let people win a few times...  I am only in the area for a little while and so far I don;t like what I have seen.  I think Arizona is a very crooked place --esp. Scottsdale.  I played in 2 casinos with zero success (Casino Arizona & Wild Horse or something like that - do not remember the name).

So please tell me - what are your thoughts???

By the way, I would much rather play real roulette with a physical person but I was not able to find one and now I think I know why...

Another question:  does anyone know if the payouts are different from state to state regarding casinos?  (meaning is there a law somewhere stating you at least have to have 30% winnings or something like that...)

[Aack Thbbbt]

I do not know if I am on the right forum or not but I have to ask.  Am I just having bad luck or is the electronic roulette wheel rigged??  First I have never won anything in Arizona casinos (lost about $300), which I hardly ever do.  I usually at least break even esp. if I go 4-5 days in a row.  Any how here is my story.

Not necessarily the right forum, but not wrong either...you have never won anything in Arizona casinos...but you claim to hardly ever lose as well, which is actually better than a lot of people do when playing in casinos in general.

I got to thinking that the electronic wheel determines everyone's bets at the table and then chooses a number where the casino wins the most.  My theory was to try and place my bet at the very end in hopes that the computer does not have time to think (I am sure that does not matter though).  During that time I would watch what everyone else is betting on the screen and put a small bet where nobody else was betting to hopefully win.  I only did this a few times (won a few and lost a few- but was not playing wisely at the time).  I swear it was not long before everyone's bet stopped showing on the display.  The guy next to me was making tons of bets and none showed on the screen.  However, when I made my bets, they were all on the screen.  I checked to see if there was an option to make your bets private and there was not.  My guess is I was being watched and I can not figure out why bc I was not even winning.  Any thoughts please??

Another time, I was playing video poker.  I only had $3 and managed to have a good streak - made it to $25 before I left that machine and of course lost all of it in another machine.  When I got up I saw 2 workers standing off to the side writing stuff down in a notepad.  Am I just paranoid??? I am a newbie and don't know what I am doing so I can not imagine why anyone would want to watch me other than I look too young for my age.

You are over thinking this, the Casino is not in the business of ripping people off by "rigging" anything.  They play  odds/percentages ; the fact they have a slight edge plus volume of play ( many people playing over time) allows them to be profitable.
You are not going to be able to "out think" of beat a computer "to the punch".
You are probably not remembering certain things accurately, the bets may have been showing on the screen of the players that made them, but not on other players screens.
Play a bet adn then glance at another screen and see if YOUR bet shows up on THAT screen.

You

were

not

being

watched

( at least not because your were playing and turned $3 into $25...otherwise this borders on paranoia)


Occams razor:
When multiple competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood. To quote Isaac Newton: "We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. Therefore, to the same natural effects we must, so far as possible, assign the same causes."[3]

To straightforwardly summarize the principle as it is most commonly understood, "Of several acceptable explanations for a phenomenon, the simplest is preferable."

which brings us back to:

I look too young for my age.

Anyhow, I got fed up and left and will never go back.  If you want to make money you at least have to let people win a few times...  I am only in the area for a little while and so far I don;t like what I have seen.  I think Arizona is a very crooked place --esp. Scottsdale.  I played in 2 casinos with zero success (Casino Arizona & Wild Horse or something like that - do not remember the name).

So please tell me - what are your thoughts???

I believe you have a delusional expectation of what you "should" win.

By the way, I would much rather play real roulette with a physical person but I was not able to find one and now I think I know why...

Its because full gaming is not allowed anywhere in the State by Mandate.  You wont find "live" Craps roulette, Baccarat and other games you would find in Vegas and such.

Another question:  does anyone know if the payouts are different from state to state regarding casinos?  (meaning is there a law somewhere stating you at least have to have 30% winnings or something like that...)

Explain "stating you at least have to have 30% winnings"...
What you will find in many casinos is a placard posted that states something to the affect of " Our machines payout and average of 97.25%", meaning that the pay back in winnings 97.25 % of all the money that gets put in to a slot/video machines.
Slots and video poker machines have varied payouts, some are better than others, in fact some video poker machines payout OVER 100% IF THEY ARE PLAY CONSISTENTLY CORRECTLY( perfect play)
Every state is regulated by a gaming board of some sort..they set certain rules and regulations to which the Casinos MUST abide.

My Advice:  Learn to play poker and stay away from "slot" machines, pick up a book on Video Poker, LEARN how to play correctly and how to choose which machines to play.

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thanks for the response aack!  i don't think you quite understood how this particular electronic roulette was setup though.  there was a big board in the middle.  chairs with individual betting boards were positioned around the big board.  the big board was positioned as you would see a billboard on a highway with both sides featuring the same thing.  the wheel was positioned to the side of the board- kind of hard to see while playing the game (actually you could not see it at all).  the big board showed everyone's bets and a camera view of the wheel spinning.  the individual betting boards at each chair ONLY showed your bet and no one else's.

while i played, i was able to look at the big board and see where everyone else was betting.  however, at some point (i truly believe when whomever saw me watching the big board intently) everyone else's bets disappeared and only mine would show up for all to see.  i know this bc there was a gentleman to my left betting like crazy all over the board.  i could see his bets on his personal screen, but not on the big board.  his bets used to show on the big board.

i do think arizona casinos are difficult to win in and perhaps have worse odds than other casinos and will never go back.  aside form that they were filthy smelly - even the new one wild horse as well as the non-smoking areas.  i was unaware you could not play all of the games live in arizona casinos.  that does explain a lot!

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I see what you are saying about the video display set-up, i did not take into account the "main" screen.
THAT said, there is no way anyone was tracking you or adjusting anything based on your actions.

Perhaps there is only a short period of time that the bets show on the screen, then disappear...say 10 seconds before the ball spins.
Maybe you had always been looking prior to that "cutoff" then after you noticed it.
Since you were trying to time it "last second" you noticed it more when in fact it had been happening all the time, your timing at looking at the board was just "sooner".

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I see what you are saying but I still have to disagree with you - reason being I sometimes skip playing a round (only when there are empty chairs) to get my focus back.  There were still no chips showing during this period of time and I would watch from beginning to end.  I suppose it is however a possibility that maybe the chips are not displayed all of the time- perhaps at just certain times- maybe for only 5 hours in one day or even based on payouts, etc...I still think it is wrong and do not trust the electronic roulette anymore.  There is no telling what they can do with computers anymore.

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wow this guy is just paranoid. lay off the ganja man. i play the video roul- it works fine